This unhealthy marriage survived and became a daily struggle. Insulting a woman in prison since 30 years instead of debating the inconsistencies of this case is pretty pathetic. I would like to believe this is the truth. During cross-examination, she said that she witnessed the murders while sitting up and that Cheryl was sitting up on the front seat when she got shot. How about dads side of the family? The courts were divided in the 80s, family court, traffic court, criminal court, juvenile court I dont believe they ran out of judges to preside over them all. She has been in prison for so long that we dont know what her mental health situation is so it is a moot point for me. If you listen to the recording, Christie clearly says I dont know who did it. She was asleep, thats why. Right after her first surgery, The Detectives were adamant that they HAD to have Diane right then to recreate the incident- unless of course, you have something to hide. It is not a hatefest and I do not wish death or life without parole on anyone. Why arent you debating the faulty ballistics, and the fact that the gun they affirmed was used in the commission of the crime was not the right one? Of course, her mental health has deteriorated. (Yes, speculative). It was known as Manic Depression. So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did itI think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map.againjust hearing it in her own words. She also told media she became pregnant without Steve's "permission." 4 Steve has never spoken publicly about his ex-wife, Diane Credit: AP Most read in News Not optional, kids should not be in limbo that long, but it happens all the time. Yes, dad relinquished his rights but he knew that they loved their grandparents and had allowed Diane to take them for a visit without telling the authorities. Then ask yourself if thats how you want your son to grow up. 17:40, 1 MAR 2023. The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced. Whats wrong with the system is whats wrong with us. Is it too late to respond to this? Are we to believe that Proctors second gun was stolen with the bill and ID from the first gun that remained listed at the gun store? He actually was the one who suggested theybecome intimate after many friendly, platonic conversations. It seems they all went the easy way. If you had commented on one of the elements contained in the blog, it might have been enlightening. Re Diane Downs I invite reading Synopsis quite similar to above: OREGONs Juridical Small Sacrifices The implication was not only cruel, in the light of what Diane was suffering, it was also clear. But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. The person who shot the kids was leaning inside the car because they were shot at close range. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . (Appendix 3). John Shea who played Fred in the TV movie Small Sacrifices even looks like him. This video has Dianes attorney, Jim Jagger, at 1 minutes and 20 seconds that might have some good shots. Her trial was speculative and based on so many fallacies. Most importantly why would anybody shoot 3 children potentially fatally and leave the adult with a wound in her arm. And their plan worked. The problem was, Diane has a long-documented history of adversely reacting to tranquilizing drugs. You are right. It is not a run of the mill case. The men in her life were in no shape or form called on their irresponsible or wild behavior. I dont disagree, I just think it is another example of flaws in our justice system. Instead, there is blood splatter on the ceiling of the car. I hope this would never fly these days to separate wounded children from the only family members they have. She s. In reality,the whole caseturned out to beno small sacrifice for Diane Downs, but it was a huge victory for the State, the media anda very lucrative deal for theQueen of crime fiction herself; Ann Rule. She had been isolated from her whole family and being unethically interrogated. At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? It is not, nor should be, a Conflict of Interest for a caring adult to Foster one or more siblings. But the Parole Board refused to hear her. But Diane was not the one dragging Knick out of Charlenes bed every morning intent on making or breaking his relationship with another woman. They were put in an impossible situation. If they could not find the gun or any trace of a shooting on Diane, and you think shes guilty, it would mean she had an accomplice. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. Is it the one you tried to use? The Cinemaholic reports that Steve was often known for being immature and irresponsible, something that didn't see their rekindled relationship get off to the best start. Spiritual advancement and atonement? I feel sorry for Diane too. But you would know that if you had read the blog or info about the case. As a result, joint legal custody which means parents share in the decision-making 1 is becoming the default decision in many family court systems. Maher also didn't specify that two of three authors weren't even from Johns Hopkins University: Jonas Herby, MS, whom the working paper described as a special advisor at Center for Political . The interpretation of blood splatter is different than no blood splatter. Maybe she wanted to buy drugs. But as usual, it was slanted in the worst possible way. I asked her brother James an answer to your question. The notes taken daily by the nurses became a point of contention at trial. I think u need to read the facts. I am all for reviewing facts and getting a decision overturned in cases of corrupt decisions, and many people are on your side and find these cases totally worth their time. If not from her high profile status, she would already be out. So it was a relentless game totry to reel her in. And the fact that Tracy wrote in his notes that Christies reaction could have been excitement to see her mom but they decided to only mention extreme fear? It simply states the facts of the case. The trial was a whole miscarriage, that seems undeniable. Did you read her statements to the parole board in 2008? I lived through the media coverage. Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. As a rule, any child under the age of ten prompts counsel to question the competence of any testimony that child might give. https://www.google.com/search?q=diane+downs+with+christie+cheryl+and+danny&sxsrf=ACYBGNQDEM3XNQjZXlqNQpYLhZCn7ic5iw:1576689995166&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNuNT427_mAhUcJTQIHbveBMIQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1024&bih=462#imgrc=gQkU10UxNhHn_M: If youre talking about the picture in the blog that is labeled as Christie, it is Christie. She was the first to admit that at times, she was somewhat neglectful, impatient, yelled too much, and could have been a better mother, but she seemed to have turned the corner and was doing her best with the means at her disposal. Speculative? The popular TV movie Small Sacrifices was based on Ann Rules book and it painted a horrid picture of the mother accused of shooting her children on Old Mohawk Road. But to convince this young and vulnerable girl to turn on her mother, they needed to isolate her from her family and work relentlessly on her confession.. You seem to care about my opinion and perception of some elements of the case and how the media poisoned the well in this instance, but what about the trial? I have simply bothered researching the evidence and in some instances, the lack of it. Doesnt change the fact that it was still a conflict of interest. It became more about despising Diane Downs than investigating fairly. Mainly because she is being kept caged due to her name recognition at this point, not her offense. The man you have listed as Fred Hugi is actually Dianes attorney Jim Jagger. Lack of impulse control is also another symptom that might explain why a mother would stop at night to help a stranger flagging her on the road. I know several foster parents and social workers. If you are not bothered by lack of due process and a prosecutor making up psychiatric labels and adopting kids from a defendant or a judge who gets promoted from family court to criminal court to hang Diane, I am sure bothered by it. According to your own experience Lori, dont they try to give grandparents custody or at least access in cases comparable to this one? Lise do you know if the kids have ever reached out to the grandparents/family in the last few years? Substituting reasonable inference and evidence for tarot cards? The gun presented at trial being the wrong one is a fact. She. http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/oregon_s_small_sacrifices_1603.pdf. What man has ever publicly revered a former secret mistress? Diane was just 18 years old but determined to get married. USA population seems to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. I mean, yeah, I can see the no contact order with Diane. And with hindsight, the fact that this young mother had a personality disorder probably brought a lot of drama to the mix. Even if the nurses notes indicated countless times that the children asked for their mother and enjoyed her visits, they cut them off from the only family they knew and loved; supposedly for their own protection. To Lori The gun problem or the absence of blood and powder residues are not make believe. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. Its a dangerous proposition when a lack of due process becomes acceptable because they know she is guilty. Hugi did not want that. Mission accomplished. According to the state, the shooter was well inside the car and would have had gun powder on its clothing, body or hair if 3 people were shot in the car at close distance. Also on old footage of the trial, as there was no cameras aloud, the drawing of Christie Downs from court artist also complies with the testimony given in the book, as far as her pain and crying. Up. It will not make me popular, but I dont mind. Maybe she didnt want to admit she was there for drugs, but you need a really tiny brain to worry about that in such a situation. 4. But Ann Rules utterly biased account is an insult to investigative journalism and there seems to be very reasonable doubt here. And the state refusing to turn them over to the defense? Mind: Wrongful convicted. WTF? Even put in different hospitals. Mr. Jagger said it wasnt t enough to know a witness had lied, but she would have to prove it. The only reason they kept her in prison even if she had all the right documentation and support, is because she is high profile. If appropriate family members could not be found to take placement of the children then family friends are the next step. The following article hopes to help you make more suitable choices and get more useful information That single fact collaborated by a witness, convicts her for me. A. I was still living in the house, yes, sir. And once again, considering that she was diagnosed as bipolar, did not help her cause. Her arm was severely damaged, so shattered that she needed a graft from a hip bone. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. Thank you Lise. People can have a certain vibe and act out of the norms, but it does not make them necessarily guilty. Brewer stood ready to testify in June 1991, that it was because of Prosecutor Hugis lie that he changed his mind to convict and that he alone was responsible for silencing the dissenting votes of two other jurors (Appendix 97). Lets not take that lightly. Did u learn nothing?? The authorities wanted to see them mourn and fall apart. The american system often reminds me of what Charles Dickens talked about in his novels. As was his habit, Knick failed to take into consideration what Diane or his wife had to say on the matter. She wanted a lawyer to defend her vigorously but the judge stopped her from getting good representation. How could Christie say anything but the things they told her to say with that kind of influence? There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. But it is not hard to see that the way this tape and her confession were obtained was not legitimate. There have been behaviors that in the general course of events one may expect from a single parent that in a way have been falsely interpreted as being some form of evil.. If personal diaries were to be believed, half of the population would be in great jeopardy. He said all the police needed was for Diane to bear witness against her ex-husband. Im all for justice, reviewing facts and overturning corrupt decisions. 3. Let me tell you, it wasnt just the investigators and the prosecution that didnt believe herwe, Oregonians, (who ACTUALLY live here and watched what was happening) believe she is guilty. It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannullis lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. I watched the paroles hearing in 08, was lucky to find it, it was streamed live at the timemy sister, who is a whiz with computers, found it for me. During a trial, we have to go with evidence only. Diane downs. Seriously. I wish she could get a new look. Diane recanted the stories about her dad who vehemently denied them. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular: this blog is clearly one sided. The fact that she was driving five miles per hour to the hospital says it all as a mother myself, I dont care how hurt or mentally damaged I was, I would drive that car 100 MPH to get my children to safety. Instead, the person accused of attacking them and wanting them out of her life, fought for them. Besides, none of those diagnoses are illegal. Her persona allowed them to build this ironclad narrative when in fact, it was far from definite. I think it would give the blog more integrity and transparency. While Rules book is biased, it was a look into the view of those who wanted justice for those children, wether you agree w/ their conclusion or not, that was their goal. Instead of talking about her being locked up for so long, answer some very legitimate questions regarding this case. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. She was no mother of the year, I will grant them that, but a trial is supposed to be based on evidence. They did a trace metal test to see if Diane had held a gun. Open ended sentences like this are meant to provide a means of control and public safety when considering dangerous offenders who may pose a continued risk to the public. The ballistics, gun, speed at which she drove the car, her demeanor, etc. Guilty or not, the case was handled with prejudice and many errors occurred. I personally dont think she is innocent but that isnt the point. The fact that she and her brother Danny were eventually adopted by Fred Hugi who prosecuted Diane Downs is the most blatant case of conflict of interest I have ever heard of. Nuts maybe, but not threatening. Having recently done research on the Liysa Northons case which was the subject of a book written by Ann Rule titled Heart Full of Lies,I came across some very interesting information about the Diane Downs case because Rule attended the trial and also wrote a book about the case called Small Sacrifices. Do you REALLY believe she expected them to live especially since she drove at less than 10 mph. The lawsuit against Ann Rule was thrown out as unfounded because after reading her book they could find no inconsistencies She sat thru the entire trial AND used actual court transcripts. It is normally done (in fact in many jurisdictions, can ONLY be done) by going through the process in a different state or county then the one the applicant works with. Yes, I had to go and sign the lease, yes, sir. Great question. But the high profile nature of the case might hinder the process. I will talk to Dianes brother. You can believe what you like. And how the letters became so bizarre, paranoid and psychotic that she told Diane to stop writing her. LMFAO!!!! One could argue that this blog does not stick to what came out at trial. She claimed she . Except for Paul Cortez. The chief prosecutor adopting the children beggars belief! Shes where she belongs. When analysing this blog, look at three statements from the blogger: Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts You make an interesting observation when you say: Anyways. BUT like you rightly explain, there was no real evidence of her guilt. At the time, among 49 prisoners denied parole, the board had given only four inmates, including Downs, a 10-year wait. In 1992 I became involved in this work following my interest and research into a notorious murder trial that was held in Oregon many years ago. Again I go back to how times were back then. At that timeand now!! It is my hope that Leslie Van Houten and Diane Downs are never paroled. Not an easy situation for him as I would imagine. There were days she was unhappy to see the staff and her family because she was very ill. That poor girl had a lot of bad moments where she would cry constantly or trigger the machines and to have defined this single incident as one of terror instead of excitement over seeing her mom was biased and self-serving. From the time Diane was a teenager, when a physician ordered visterol in an emergency room situation, it has been documented again and again that sedatives ingested while Diane is in pain, provoke a chemically induced hysteria in her. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom: I guess? Dianes brother, James, sat in court one day andnoticed Foote looking at Hugi before ruling on an objection. She complained about it, but that does not mean she did not suffer for her kids. So either way, it would not be so far fetched that someone said he was the shooter.A little investigation would not hurt. Teen Mom 2 alum Jenelle Evans and her mom, Barbara Evans, have been feuding over custody of Jenelle's son, Jace in addition to many other issues for over a decade. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business: argumentative We, who watched her parole hearing a few years ago prayed HARD that she wouldnt be set free, know she is guilty. The scene described in Small Sacrifices with little Christie hooked up to a machine and her pulse accelerates because she is terrified ofher mother is doubtful and subject to interpretation. And being the mother of three only served to propel Diane in a more manic state. Lise,,,,, yes you did. It was faulty. And other inmates were released with worst backgrounds. And she should be allowed parole! It is not because a defendant is found guilty or disliked that it is acceptable to bend the rules. And Steven was free to follow her lead or not. From reading the blog and my little understanding of this case, Ms Downs remains in custody as she is considered a dangerous offender. An attractive woman whose two children were killed in mysterious circumstances and the cops decided to go after her. I have plans to go hunting with the husband of one of the alternates.. The kind of TV series that they produce on high profile crimes will make sure to turn public opinion. This case flew under my radar so to speak because it happened before my time. This is not my scenario Tasha. Carol Kirkwood shared an insight into her recent holiday to Norway with fianc Steve Randall on Wednesday as she shared their first social media post together.. The roller coaster ride had nothing to do with Diane s children and Diane knew it. The fruit of this abduction was the May 23, 1983, videotape re-enactment staged by Detective Tracy in which Diane is clearly hysterical. They made her out to be a monster, but in Beckys case, it becomes redeemable. The Diane Downs' Case Was no Small Sacrifice On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane Downs and her three small children were shot on a country road near Springfield, Oregon. 3. Yes, like many Americans, I think that the US system is barbaric. She is a monster and belongs in prison for the rest of her life. The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? Hugi got the evidence needed to convict after numerous meetings with Christie. One should also wonder why their biological father who was so eager to bash his ex on the stand was not given custody, and did not stay in contact with his two remaining children: relevance? It should be illegal to use real names and facts from a criminal case while influencing the publicto falselybelieve that the whole content of the filmis true. Exactly Libby why did they say during the trial that he saw his mom? If the adult can show capacity and willingness to provide care, love and nurturing to the children, then there is no legal reason to prevent them from becoming Foster Carers. I actually do not know what really happened. Even prosecutor Fred Hugi was seen walking the grounds to try to find the weapon. Also, the title of the website clearly demonstrates an inherit bias. Tis why at 10 years old I was hearing about this case in Ohio, and family members talked about it around me.it hit with great force that way. After arriving at the nearest hospital where the nursing staff and doctors attended to the children, the police were called in and her parents arrived promptly. Children imitate their parents every move. She had not fired a gun. The authorities believed that the children's father was not a good fit to look after the children after what they had endured when their mother tried to murder them. Diane Downs' ex husband, Steve Downs, lost a lot in May 1983 when his ex wife shot their three children, following their divorce in 1980. I have no idea whether or not she was guilty of the crime. So she warns her to stay away. Very little is definitively known in this area. Diane said that Cheryl was laying down on the front floorboard with the passenger seat pushed back. In her book Heart Full of Lies, Rule took so many liberties with the facts that Liysa Northon sued her. She knew that Knickerbocker hated trouble of any kind, and thathe would have never come back to her after an ugly shooting where she had been wounded and her kids damaged. Is Diane really a threat anymore? I think that the US system is barbaric It is documented in the blog where I give the source In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. Q. The prosecutor would gently shake his head and the good judge would follow with a ruling. 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