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Kate to keep up their end of that bargain. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. I read this book in a single day on 2 airplanes several months ago. Why? Is it OK? David Benavidez and Kate Griffith were one of the four couples from season two of Temptation Island. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. Around 3 a.m. on Aug. 18, she found the fishing wharf in the tiny town of Foxtrap. They told us that they'd found the body. You were done. For parents Dave and Kate, the pain was unbearable? He interviewed old friends who recalled Andrew as a gregarious, well-loved soul who starred in Kuenne's earliest attempts at filmmaking. killing Zachary in a murder-suicide. He was in a little crib and David and I knelt down at his feet and he was just, beautiful.". Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. The two also had trust issues they were trying to overcome on Temptation Island,as they had both cheated on their previous partners. That woman then escapes to Canada while evidence against her is gathering, and then she has his baby while the extradition process drags on. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. `Are you Kathleen Bagby? I said, `Yes. He said, `You have to call the coroner in Greensburg. I knew then, it had to be Andrew.. MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. Unidentified Woman #10: (Kate holding Zachary) Zachary. The reality was almost too much to comprehend. However, the intended audience of the film. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. MORRISON: And go she did, back to Newfoundland, Canada. I don't think I could have done what they did. Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. I can understand that. He was beautiful and looked just like Andrew. For one thing, Shirley, required the Bagbys to bring Zachary to visit her once a week in jail. I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. I tried to console them, Snow says. If Shirley, Turner had her way, they wouldn't have met Zachary at all, claiming she didn't. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. It's great. We couldn't let the authorities who let this happen get away with it. Kate went to the floor, and I kicked the door and--oh, we, just--just like with Andrew, there's nothing you can do. Both of them were victims of murder. And this book was okay. Shirley Turner had some startling news. He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. They held their breath. Help contribute to IMDb. IE 11 is not supported. (Photo of Shirley; "Canada" on building; T.J. Shears walking), Mr. T.J. SHEARS: My mom was just like, `Oh, hey.' Their year-old grandson was killed by his mother in Newfoundland while she was out on bail awaiting an extradition decision. (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. Zachary ends up killed by his wicked mother to spite his family and the Canadian courts, while also getting away with murdering his father. But the Bagbys, who live in San Jose, California, could scarcely imagine what lay in store for them. And then, November 2001, Andrew Bagby was shot dead in a state park not far from the hospital in which the young doctor was a resident, and his devoted parents all but lost the will to live. They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. The worst part for me was that Shirley cheated everyone out of seeing justice done. His arguments towards the refusal of parole for alleged murderers is superb and really shows how idiotic the laws can be. Elsewhere in St. Johns, T.J. Shears, who first reported his mother and Zachary missing, was suffering his own devastation. We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. You know? It took a series of calls, but Kate eventually heard the words she so feared. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. Theyll find her. The next thing a police constable is at the door., Two bodies have been found on the beach, the officer said. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. The couple left Canada and returned to California - but the tortuous memories followed. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. I think it was supposed to be just a brief college romance, says Kurt Kuenne, Andrews close friend since first grade at St. Andrews School in Saratoga. The legal system helped her kill Zachary. David and Kate Bagby,shown in this 2004 file photo. They sound like wonderful people who were needlessly tortured by a horrible psychopath, It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife, Reviewed in the United States on April 27, 2016. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. I was at work and the receptionist said you have a call from the Sunnyvale police, says Kate, then a nurse practitioner in obstetrics and gynecology at Santa Clara Valley Medical Center. Was it a tight bond? David has written a book about the case, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. And he was crying, so I went into the ladies room and sat there, KATE: Made her very angry. Add a bio, trivia, and more. A well written memoir by a father who son was murdered by an ex-girlfriend that was pregnant with his son's child. Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot concedes defeat, Southern California home sales fall to all-time low, Denver just got a direct flight to this Caribbean island known for music history and vegetarian cooking, NYC Mayor Adams dismisses need to separate church and state, declares himself a servant of God, Zero-calorie sweetener linked to heart attack and stroke, study finds, Do Not Sell/Share My Personal Information. Mommy misses you. Kate was a nurse, recently arrived from England. Another guy and I said, `Sure. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Zachary held his hands out, reaching for Kate.. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. An autopsy report would show that an anti-anxiety drug, prescribed by the very psychiatrist who put up Shirley's bail money had been, mixed into Zachary's formula. Reviewed in the United States on October 26, 2016. They did their best to keep their dark feelings about their son's accused. Unfortunately, there is not court case, as the accused murderer killed herself. MORRISON: But as Kurt made his way around the globe, his tribute materialized into something far bigger, and much darker, than anyone could have imagined. As the Bagbys settled into their renewed life, Turner pursued an appeal of her November jailing. To calculate the overall star rating and percentage breakdown by star, we dont use a simple average. Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. Zachary, I love you, baby. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? In June 2003 the Attorney General ordered that Turner be extradited to the US. Closed Captioning and Described Video is available for many CBC shows offered on CBC Gem. $19.46 2 New from $19.46. They were forced to hand Zachary back to Turner and, again, tiptoe around her. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. We had to pack up Zachary, Mr. BAGBY: We just climbed right back upstairs and went to bed and melted. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. In the fall of 2002, Turner and her lawyer agreed that the Bagbys should gain temporary custody of Zachary if Turner were sent to jail. Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard . Then, upon. Once, she called him 30 times while he was at a pal's wedding. ago I mean, she. thing, because up until Andrew was murdered, I was a Pollyanna. She called trying to get Andrew when he was here doing a rotation here in California. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. I tended to break down in rage.. The Turner report says their relationship soon deteriorated. He's a little bleary eyed, but. If you dont believe that, you need only follow the Bagbys lives over the past five years. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. But that is what the Bagbys. As the police closed in on Shirley Jane Turner, their sole suspect made it clear that she would not give up easily. The pain of having lost not only their son but now also their grandson was too much to bear. Mr. BAGBY: She just kept coming back, and coming back and coming back. Did anyone have more friends than he? Cpl. Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. Shirley kills Zachary and herself by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. Andrew Bagby, 28, was their light, their love, their boy. Zachary himself was murdered by his mother as well. They put their belongings in storage, rented out their house and moved to St. Johns, Newfoundland. Did anybody want to take them? David says. It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. We finally got a baby.. I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. On Aug. 16, Turner and the Bagbys took Zachary swimming at Bowring Park in St. Johns, Newfoundland. It is a priority for CBC to create products that are accessible to all in Canada including people with visual, hearing, motor and cognitive challenges. She was born to the late th And we were going to be his savior.. The Bagbys and their grandchild were living in a cramped apartment. Part of my peace comes from doing everything to change Canadian law. MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? I had a job I loved. The Hornet was just back from patrolling the coast of Vietnam. I can only imagine this book to be heartbreaking. Its rage with me, he says. This year is different. Please try again. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. The 10 most expensive reported home sales in Hayward the week of Feb. 20, Four take plea deals in wild Brentwood homicide where victim suspects shot each other, Feds charge two with robbing two San Francisco banks during the same day, One dead, another wounded in Oakland shooting. She woke the baby and carried him up the stairs to her home, David recalls. KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. The couple are still coping with the murders of their son and grandson. Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. helped convince me that she would not hurt Zachary. (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. I cried with rage, almost like the Bagby's and I normally do not get emotional when it comes to true crime novels. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. It doesnt go away.. KATE: So this man said to me, `Do you know that Shirley Turner's pregnant with your son's child? He just lit up when he saw Kate, David says. David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. This means that we may include adverts from us and third parties based on our knowledge of you. He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. and allowed to play Russian Roulette with her baby's and other people's lives is totally ludacris. Yes,Shirley Turner should have been innocent until proven guilty, but to be out on parole( with her sureties only needing to provide their signatures and not a red cent,another crime towards the innocent!!) He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. There is only so much that Kurt could fit in an hour and a half and I learned so much more by reading things from David's own words. MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. David Bagby says there were no thoughts of suicide at the news of Zacharys killing. Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. All the years that she was good to me as a mother was pretty much thrown out the window at the end.. On Nov. 14, a Canadian judge ruled that Turner should indeed be jailed while arguments continued on whether she should be sent back to the United States. As Kate and David talk about their son, you can see the teamwork. The man said Turner had called him about 200 times in a one-month period, including a call to tell him she was pregnant with his child. ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. She flew back to Iowa in a rage, David Bagby says. The Bagbys offered each other a balance. In November 2002, when, Zachary was four months old, a Canadian judge ruled that a properly instructed, jury would likely find Shirley Turner guilty and ordered her incarceration, while awaiting a decision from justice officials to surrender her to the, United States. (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. He was like, `Eh, mm.' doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? He said, `The psychotic bitch. "We had to do something to channel our rage and sorrow," he says. In July 2002 she gave birth to a boy. Id say, `Oh, its so good to see you. And hed say, `Its so good to be seen.'. (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. Kuenne said he's grateful that politicians championed a law that could save lives. Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2020. He said he had a couple of English nurses who wanted to go to Disneyland. And now it's just. I suggest you keep any heavy items out of reach because you will want to throw them at the television screen & a box of tissues because you will need them. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. Shes Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale, she explains. They're like, `What do you mean?' would now have to be something else, a visual letter to Andrew's baby. It had happened almost surely the last, night they were together, and DNA tests would later prove that Andrew was, (Supreme Court exterior; court in progress; house exterior; Shirley and Shears. KATE: I had a great childhood. At some point, police say, Turner tied the arms of her jacket together to lash Zachary to her as she walked carrying him. When search suggestions are available use up and down arrows to review and enter to select. I said, `Oh, no. And he was beautiful, Kate says. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. Laws governing the, rights of defendants are fairly strong in this country, but there's something, about Newfoundlanders in particular which may have contributed to the judge's, decision to grant bail. a month after 30 days. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. thoughts, his wife sees something that rocks her to the core. While fending off extradition efforts by U.S. law enforcement, she announced she was pregnant with Andrew's son, Zachary. She spent the day in his house across from the hospital, reading e-mail and checking eBay bids for a Barbie doll she wanted. Im sure shes just gone somewhere. Cpl. Ive never seen people react more passionately, intensely. And it was the happiest they had been since the days before their son was murdered. Suspicion immediately fell on an ex-lover, Shirley . I have some hope that telling this story in detail has a chance to cause change in the law, David says of his book. Customer Reviews, including Product Star Ratings help customers to learn more about the product and decide whether it is the right product for them. You never know whats going to make you sit and cry for the day.. Once he discovered she was accused of killing a past boyfriend, he told officers, he tried to break off the relationship. This quote is repeated over and over as Kuenne describes plenty of evidence of just that: fifteen-minute suicide watch while imprisoned, threatening to stab another inmate, restraining orders against Shirley by eight different people, previously attempting suicide on an ex-lover's property, etc. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in . Something went wrong, please try again later. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. the eventual turning of a bill they drafted actually becoming law. I thought it was just going to chronicle a murdered man's life, for his son to reflect back on when he was older - because his father was killed before he was born. The chief suspect for Andrew's murder was his ex-girlfriend Shirley Turner? As far as Andrew was concerned, the relationship was a fling nothing serious. It looked like an open-and-shut case but, before the police could arrest her, Turner fled over the Canadian border, back home to St John's, in Newfoundland. He was the whole world to them. Then she killed his brother. Each decision is subject to appeal. Mr. SIMPSON: Andrew, you know you can do a lot better. They smothered him in kisses and often spoke to him about Andrew. On November 3, 2001, he broke up with Turner at the airport before putting her on a plane back to Council Bluffs, 1,300 miles away. Authorities later determined his former lover Dr.. Tragic doesn't even come close to describing this case. Cpl. Understood? 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