A bespoke suit certainly flatters the owner, makes them look good. Wide midfoot, but a touch low instep which translates to average volume, just squashed a bit down. So, in summary, if you look at the price, most of Carmina's shoes cost 329 or 395 or $475, and for that amount of money, the range of last you get is quite good. Id love to step up to Crocketts as Ive heard great things. I live in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam so I know these companies. The former is made in Spain, the latter in Portugal. That point has been removed until it can be proved either way. The price range for Meermin loafers is $165 for women and $175 for men. Guessing I'd need 9.5D or 9EE. Meermins are stylish shoes, but they are also quite practical as well. Good arch support, toe box is low, but not too low, and just an all around comfy fit from day 1. I wear 9EE in AE (65 last) and want to try carminas. GC RTW are made by C&J so they are likely to be quite similar. AEs MacNeil is the epitome of wingtips imho. As someone with narrow feet, and unable to afford bespoke, this is a major bugbear of mine. I dont think theyre very different, but no I cant compare directly, as I dont own GC RTW. So yes, you get more durable suede shoes higher up in the price ranges. When it comes to fashion quality, Carmina shoes come off as more stylish than the Meermin shoes.if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'footslide_com-large-mobile-banner-2','ezslot_8',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-footslide_com-large-mobile-banner-2-0');FASHIONABLE CARMINASFASHIONABLE CARMINAS. To put JC on the same shelf as JL, EG, STC and the like is certainly a stretch. The difference between, for example, C&J and EG is the same as the difference between them and the cheaper shoes. the Meermins have four speedhooks and a pull tab, whereas the Carminas have three and forego the tab. All leather if even sanded a tiny bit to remove flaws in the skin is corrected. You talk a lot about nicer shoes on PS and how they are much nicer. "But at the same time, I do think you get better value now for a 200 shoe than you did 10 years ago, despite inflation, because theres so much more competition. This post is an epitome of that, and I may well take the opportunity to praise your reflection. It's other Asian brands that are likely to become known in the West first, though. I have a pair of 9D shell chukkas that fits well, but after 2 months still has a little heel slip. Of course a 200 shoe is going to look and feel cheap. In terms of quality, yes Trickers will be better and worth the money I think. Parkhurst 602 Last 9D: Fit well off the bat, little to no break-in. Simon, I really appreciate the articles lately with a focus on quality at a more approachable price point. Cork/insole filling will also compress. For each last, add any thoughts on fit, including ankle/shaft fit for boots. But the insoles are very comfortable and have molded to my feet nicely. Can I Put Birkenstocks in the Washing Machine? Im a student in Sweden and I have worn a couple of the brands mentioned in the article (and in the comment section) during the last couple of years. They look nice but if I know Ill be in shoes the entire day and might walk a bit I do not wear them. Well Id imagine the aim is to make more money, given that some will know the Cleverley name and want to buy into it. When you login first time using a Social Login button, we collect your account public profile information shared by Social Login provider, based on your privacy settings. These boots make me want to convert my entire boot collection to White's. The fit/finish/materials of my $600 Alden boots is markedly different from my $350 Allen Edmonds Dalton boots. Santoni I have experienced, and I would say the same. He was told they had changed, as you see seem to have observed as well. Sometimes they run big and sometimes they run small. Your mentioning Jesper`s financial interests is interesting would more call this commercial however. Simon's books and product collaborations are available to buy through the Permanent Style shop. The best made, best value quality shoe on the market is Joseph Cheaney by a country mile. Its a long time since Ive worn shoes at that price level, and I simply have no frame of reference. After trying on shoes in Trading Post, the fit is so much better than any western brands Ive ever tried. You get slightly better quality with Carmina at a cheaper price. It depends what else you have of course, but a dark brown or slimmer overall look is more likely to be more useful,.and certainly better for suits. The problem with the Japanese brands is theyre rarely available outside the country. Its an entirely stupid thing to say, not least because most of the leather used on the soles of English shoes are from European tanneries. Im starting to wonder if the differential is worth it. Theyre all Spanish except Septieme Largeur, which is French but made in Spain. The class that you are getting for Carmina shoes is of real excellence. Nice article , but why the article call these cheap shoes? Good point about Allen Edmonds. Sizing down 1 from your HTT could be tricky. Really good customer service is important to me and is one of the things that keeps me going back. The comment is only in reference to leather. HIRO 9: Terrible fit. The other thing about Carmina is they have increased prices and reduced quality in some areas in recent years. Also, the chunky sole and derby construction arent that suited to suits. So much so, that one of the heels fell off during normal use. Carmina shoes are more comfortable, stable, flexible, durable, and stylish than the Meermin shoes. Are there other difference? Thus, not likely to be much different from your C&J in terms of make, but the last and the leather may differ. As for Northampton shoes they are still great value if you buy in the sale or go to the factory shops. Carminas are really chic, classy, and fashionable. CJ or Alden or even something slightly lower end like Lof & Tung that is made more tastefully) and higher end makers (e.g. I have to say that influencers, like Andreas Weinas, who keep plugging those kinds of brands using superlative language bear some of the responsibility for misleading people. You know what youre getting. To be clear, I dont know what they use. Meermin shoes are classy shoes that are just so unbelievably functional and cost-effective for the price that they come for. Very few English RTW offer much in the way of narrow lasts. Carminas just dont break down easily. For what its worth, Ive purchased more boots in the past 3 years than any other style of footwear (dress/service types of models). Is it really that costly to offer and stock a range of widths/sizes in order to ensure customers can find a comfortable shoe? Those two are quite similar, in that they both have pretty large marketing budgets, run their own retail, and have ridden the wave of classic menswear in the past few years. I've come to think of myself as a 10E. Buttero Tanino: UK9, still breaking in but fits well. The C&J hangrade, however, is another story. I think that chukka looks nice. Thanks Robin. Alden Aberdeen 9.5D: Great fit. Yes, you certainly do notice the differences, and they are both of the quality type (unlike a shirt) and the making type (more like hand sewing). Its a comfortable, yet roomy fit. The manager gave me a significant discount for resoling them but, even after three decades as a loyal customer, I would be reluctant to buy from them again. Overall, would you have a favourite among these brands? Luckily it did a tiny bit making it bearable, but damn they are still uncomforable I have to admit. On the other hand, Meermins wont last you as long as Carminas will. Interesting ! Alden Aberdeen: 9.5E fits me really well with medium socks. Their last is made for the Japanese feet, which are flatter in general with a smaller heel. Makes buying difficult, much like with Vass. This helped me understand why sizing as 10D was actually very bad advice and never worked out well. I used DT cushioned boot socks at the time. 10 Best Ortholite Replacement Insoles (Reviewed in 2022), 11 Best Water Shoes for Water Parks | Footslide, Highly-Durable Shoe Construction and Design, Meermins dont last as long as Carmina shoes, You can get most Carminas for cost prices between 341 and 407, You can buy Meermin shoes for prices between $160 and $210. Myrqvist, which we mentioned at the start, is one of these and uses fairly good raw materials - sourced from well-known tanneries like Du Puy in France. Thursday Vanguard 9.5D: Toe box is a bit tapered for my liking, but overall fit is so-so. on that curve of diminishing returns. Id put them at around Barker/Loake territory, perhaps slightly better. I would also like to mention that apart from PS, I also read Jesper Ingevaldsson, who was featured in this article, (www.shoegazing.com) and Justin FitzPatrick (www.theshoesnobblog.com). Its a company started in 2014 that I discovered today. It is something that is destroying the reputation not only for these brands but for bespoke shoes in general. I guess I was just wondering whether some of those extra things were actually noticeable in terms of comfort, durability, etc, especially because a number of mid-range shoes now have some of the things you mentioned: closed channels, oak-bark soles (or if not, that is always something you can get on the resole), a wide range of leathers, etc. The leather feels like a glove and is truly unlined (to the extent that the uppers almost collapse under their own weight), unlike Carminas unlined shoes which dont feel all that different from normal lined shoes. For a RTW offering, without additional charge, that is a massive advantage for anyone wary of shelling out for MTM alternatives, and I would have expected something worth telling readers. Please take a look. Thats is some very useful information Jesper, thank you! Thankfully, that isnt true of all high end companies that Ive experienced and, in general, I have found that the quality of the service matches that of the product. The shoe also felt very light, like it was cheaply constructed. Tried an 8.5E on a 2014 manufactured pair and its better than the modern ones, but the taper is a bit more aggressive so I'd prefer a 9 in much older or "OG" 2030. You will find that most Meermin shoes are poorly finished when compared to the quality Goodyear Welting of the Carmina shoes. Barrie 9.5D: Bad fit. Im looking to acquire a couple of pairs of tassel loafers (one dark brown suede and one black calf). I think the short answer is that yes, it is expensive to add an extra width across all shoes. The Shell Cordovan, non-Alden Shoe and Boot Thread, Find reviews, recommendations, tips about and appreciation of fine cutlery here. However, always be careful about brands that give the impression their leather is the same quality as the top makers. In terms of value I would say CJ handgrade. Grant Stone Leo 9D: Great fit all around. Because of the great leather material of the Carminas, youll get yourself a pair of shoes that are bound to stand you out in the positive way.CARMINA LEATHER, Meermins, on the other hand, are made with premium leather materials ranging from hybrid calfskin leather materials to even Shell Cordovan leather.MEERMIN LEATHER. Sure David. Foot extends past footbed on sides. Benzein Parang 42: Its a bit short, but wearable. Thanks Aidan. They've seen a lot of rain, snow, slush and worst of all, salt. I have room for my toes, but my foot isnt rattling around. They are never mentioning it, but the leather is bookbinded. Berwick has become very popular in recent years, particularly in Asia, Russia and elsewhere. I guess you get what you pay for but this level of quality for the leather should be mentioned. TLB also has a new line called Artista*, which is a higher level of quality than any in this article. The quality of the leather is identical. Although Meermins have great shoe soles, the truth is that Carminas are just much better.MEERMIN SHOE SOLES. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Carmina Men's Wing Tip Oxford. Frankly, I wouldnt wear anything else. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. No more Stows for me. Hmm, thanks for highlighting that Francois. That said, something in the post did strike me negatively, on a subject I previously had been puzzled about: appraisal of Allen Edmonds. Very comfortable, great instep for oxfords, * **Trickers W2298** 8UK a bit tight at the toes, perfectly snug everywhere else, * **Trickers 4444** 8UK tiny bit of heel slip, fits like a dream at the ball, * **Thomas George Jackas** 7.5UK a bit roomy. Overall, Meermins are not as good as Carminas because the Meermin shoes seem to be poorly finished when they are compared to the Carminas. A very nice pair of black cap toes on the Eton last but far to hard to break in. Great read Simon. Obviously also a difference style of shoe, but those companies spend so much on marketing and sales compared to these makers, that they are inevitably worse value purely from a quality point of view. Heel is a bit wider than I'd like when new but does break in. I appreciate that it takes time and skill and thus affects cost, it just doesnt matter a ton to me as it doesnt have a meaningful effect on how the shirt wears or looks. Low instep fits me perfectly. As mentioned in the top comment, we were focusing on shoes under 300. I beg to disagree. JF main line would definitely be in Spain 1. Still tapered in in waist and heel for a comfortable lock in, but with more room in the toe box and at the ball. Any other leather I handled was absolutely fine! An apron toe penny loafer from Orbans last summer that were on clearance for 60 euros. I think calling things cost-effective when you just mean cheaper would be a needless euphemism. Jason: Thats a real shame. What I had in mind though was a roundup like this one with Jespers input. Heel to ball fits much like Barrie 9.5D, with a tiny bit more volume, but toe box tapers more sharply from both sides. The question there is how long such value lasts, when the company grows or takes on new costs. For me, thats the right balance: There are diminishing returns to the higher quality make you can get with more expensive manufacturers, and a lot of my enjoyment comes from having shoes that are fit for particular purposes e.g., sleeker oxfords to wear with suits and smarter trousers, chunkier brogue and split-toes for more casual outfits, rubber soles for wet weather, unlined loafers for the summer, etc. This is particularly true in the shoe market, given there are few designer brands spending big budgets on marketing and advertising. And it seems like, that level of service pervades the company. The soft cushioning of the insoles in Carmina shoes are some of the best in the industry today. The arch is prominent, not as much as the White's Archease. If you can spend that extra 100-150 I sincerely recommend buying a pair of shoes from Carmina or TLB Artista. D. C. D. Medium. Youre better off looking at the tannery the leather came from and if it had a recognizable leather name (cxl for example) but even within that there are gradations on the product from the same tannery. No worries at all, its much appreciated. When weve returned to normal I might need a trip to Spain to try on a selection from Carmina, Meermin and the other brands suggested in this article. New product releases, daily discussion and community building with a common interest in quality footwear. Giro bike shoes: 45.5 EU - Great fit. Topics include a wide range of brands from Crockett & Jones to Guidi. Even though mine are lace-ups, breaking in has actually been very easy and I also feel like they are totally worth the money. For a reasonable upcharge, you can select any of their basic designs and pick your own choice of last, leather, and sole options. Thanks for an informative post. Among the many pairs I tried a pair of color 8 CXL beefrolls were the best fitting. Career and job listings in fashion, mens clothing, Reviews of Classifieds and classifieds sellers, No Man Walks Alone - Official Affiliate Thread (a.k.a. Bought before I understood my size. Kyle from Baker's later told me that my instep width is more like EE/EEE, which is what causes many of my fit issues around the mid-foot. When you go to shoe shows like Micam, the Berwick stand is always the one that's crowded.. Not sure the best place for this, and realise there is no correct answer but was wondering your view on the proportional cost of shoes to suits, shirts etc? Toe box is comfortable but not a lot of play, heel is well locked in. All one had to do is insert a sole liner, of wear thicker socks. I own a pair of JL Lopez loafers (995) and a pair of Cheaney Lewisham (380) and with the exception of the fact that JL claim a hand stitched apron, I cant see any qualitative difference whatsoever. - 8 (very voluminous, though) Carmina- Robert- 8 Carmina- Rain- 8 Carmina- Forest- 8 Carmina- Soller-8 . To me, theyd come in just below C&J, Loding in Canada had a service (a couple years back) that involved a full time patina specialist in Montreal. Barker has indeed several models in corrected grain, you find them under hi-shine on their own website. Simon, I was wondering what are your thoughts on Sanders. The quality of the leather and overall construction is superb. High volume last with somewhat narrow toe box. Thursday Dress last 9.5D: Quite narrow, I wear thinner socks with these. I guess I was wondering whether the differences in finer shoes were of this sort, especially because you have said before that you find your Aldens to be among your most comfortable shoes (but maybe that was more about lack of structure than anything else). Most of my shoes are Crockett & Jones because of the great customer service and the consistent quality. Seemed comfortable at first but the more I wore it, the more I realized it just doesn't work for me. My Yanko boots I enjoy in the winter months here in New Zealand (about now). Although, suede uppers would take a long time to wear out. I hope that makes sense. I'll update this list as I get new stuff in too. Did you ever talk to them about what is the rationale behind this strategy? Perhaps Alden, which usually has the option for lots of widths? Carmina shoes come with better finishing than the Meermin shoes. Velasca uses a Blake/Rapid construction, so not Goodyear welted - but remember Blake/Rapid is more similar to Goodyear than it is to normal Blake. Cheaper shoes will often have small mistakes, such as little splits in the sole or heel stack. Interesting to hear you sized up for Simpson when based on your description above you Could probably have stayed on an 8. In the bobcat it runs slightly large, and in the 145 it runs slightly narrow. Good article. Nice idea for a thread, but does anyone have experience with carmina's wide width options? Bored of counting likes on social networks? Thanks. 2. The insoles also havent molded to the shape of my foot as I would expect by this point. They also have thin rubber soles throughout, which some people like more, but is cheaper as well.. But have you ever disclosed your so called financial situation regarding your reviews you dont pay full price if any price for all these garments you have made for yourself, correct? 6.5D Carmina: 5.5: UK: Forest, Robert - 5.5UK: 6.5D Carmina Forest: 5.5: UK: 5.5UK with a smidge of heel slip: Any feedback from you on this brand. A pair of EG Chelseas bought today are just as good as a pair bought ten years ago as will be a pair bought in ten years time. I wear the same size in rain shell as in xim unlined. Indeed, stylistically they are even quite close. Im afraid Im not great on recommending sizing issues like that. 18 Last 10: Great fit. Permanent Style is the UK authority on classic and luxury menswear. Its a narrow last with a very high instep. I have a pair of black calf oxfords from Morjas and the leather feels rather cheap: it looks like patent leather, only matte not shiny. Really appreciate the advice. He replied straight-faced: No, we only use the best full-grain calf for our shoes. Red Wing 8 9D: decent fit. Styleforum is supported in part by commission earning affiliate links sitewide. heel and instep grips without the toe being too restrictive, * **Edward Green 82** 8.5UK pretty good forefoot with too much heel slip. Jesper thinks Skolyx (above) is better in this regard than the others, though he is biased*. The soles are more durable, the calf leather takes polish better and ages better, elements of the make lead to extra comfort (as do the materials), the make is finer and so looks better, and so on. Wapmaxi Time To Change 2015Meermin & Carmina Boot Sizing and Review Hey all, been a bit since I've posted but I stopped by both Meermin and Carmina in NYC the other day and thought I'd share my opinions for guys looking at either or both for fall boot wearing. You ever talk to them about what is the UK authority on classic and luxury menswear as much the. 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