First Royal Navy ship to visit Eire, post independence? BBC Blue Peter presenter John Noakes attempted to climb to the top of the mast. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. His early life was hard by any standards. JavaScript is disabled. At about 60 feet was the Devil's Elbow, the most dangerous and frightening part. HMS Ganges 2 in the harbour put all boys ashore and was then used as Naval Operations Ship, Harwich. Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. CLICK ABOVE TO OPEN GALLERY. It. It closed in 1998 or something. The inquiry was carried out by Hampshire Police after debit card transactions of 4,200 and cash machine withdrawals totalling 74,000 were made from the association's bank accounts between August 2010 and June 2012. It was easy to spot those who had been here the longest. Many spars are believed to have come from this ship too. HP10 9TY. Roe told me "I don't like you." (LogOut/ RM B54PCM - Twiggy the baby elephant was half an hour late for her appointment to 'tow of the premises', the 47 year old Captain Derek Napper Napper, skipper of HMS Ganges the naval training school at Shotley Suffolk, and found she had been replaced by a couple of horses. Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. Thanks again, D. R. WALTON the only O.E.M. Network 157.90../16 Abuse Contact API. Doesnt sound too bad does it. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. Finally he withdrew his hand and declared I passed the test. A Gannett Company. Two other ratings are recorded as 'drowning' whilst on the books of HMS Ganges and both were in 1944. HMS Ganges organisation of meals - covering the galley in the Long Covered Way/messdeck dining, and the introduction of the CMG block /communal dining - dated 1952. c. Punishment of Juniors (U) at HMS Ganges dated 1970. d. Restrictions on the caning of boys as a punishment dated 1929-1931. ", The sailors in training doing exercises outside the gym (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Speaking about the current state of the site, Mr Jones said: "All of the messes have been demolished, as have the laundry and the generators. For spite I think, because it wasn't compulsory. ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth), Listen to No Flowers for Geordie on SoundCloud. Editors' Code of Practice. CEM1 Served from 1972 - 1978 Served in HMS Ganges. AboutPressCopyrightContact. (LogOut/ This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's The water was freezing cold, we never had hot water. It was a facade hiding unknown treasures unknown tricks for us to perform, the first of which was to mark our kit with our names. Recruits are shown how to stow a hammock - date of photograph unknown. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. The HMS Ganges site was initially opened in 1904 acted as a boys training facility for the Royal Navy. There's something to be said for finding how finding out how good you are at living with other people, and finding respect for yourself. The Duke of Edinburgh visiting HMS Ganges in June 1973 Picture: ARCHANT (Image: Archant). However, for most of us boys, qualifying meant we could wear the Bosuns chain with our uniform instead of a lanyard. Review of a book of anecdotes about legendary UK boys' naval establishment HMS Ganges, which at any one time housed as many as 2,000 trainee sailors in their middle teens. Used to have chats with old Tick-Tock and RPO Salmon gave me my 1 postal order when the max was really ten bob. Anniversary Toast - HMS RALEIGH 25th Oct 2009, Telegraph: "Captain Peter Grindal Obituary", Future Ford vehicles could repossess themselves, 10 myths told by Covid 'experts' now debunked. Our kit was stowed in small silver lockers that we polished daily, but not like any normal person would stow their clothes. For breakfast porridge was on offer, that salt-coated gruel I'd been forced to eat every morning of my schoolboy days. Peter Cook. It would not be an exaggeration to say not one of us had the slightest idea of what lay in store for the next year. I was sent to the training Ship HMS Ganges a cruel harsh 12 months lay ahead of me and thousands of other boys. At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and signed on for 12 years. Such a tragedy that this historical place has been left to rot. I took a bowl and ate the lot. HMS Ganges in Shotley Gate, Suffolk, was a land-based training centre for recruits between 1905 and 1976. Tangible progress to transform a former Suffolk naval training base into nearly 300 homes, a sports park, shops and a GP surgery could be seen once the coronavirus lockdown is over. Through the year the training was intense, probably a good thing, it gave us little time to regret joining the navy. . "In 1860 she was decommissioned and laid up, and in 1866 she was turned into a training ship, and her guns were removed. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships from 1779 onwards, but in 1905 it was chosen for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich, where about 500 boy recruits were. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. Roger Jones, chairman at the HMS Ganges Museum said: "HMS Ganges was originally a ship of the wooden wall, launched in 1821. The boy was made lower his trousers, but kept is underpants on, he was made to bend over a chair. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to For more information, please see our Privacy Policy, Please enter a password with 6 characters or more. Were you at HMS Ganges? He was quite good too. Joined Ganges Feb '61..went through the same as everyone else. HMS Ganges closed on June 6. 1927. The mast was erected in 1907 for boy entrant training purposes using the lower foremast (steel) from HMS Cordelia (1881) with other sections from the mizzen mast of HMS Agincourt (1865). Tony Hayden. They were both Ordinary Seamen, one aged 17 and the other aged 18. I would imagine it will be a number of years before we see the final product but Ive seen first hand how quickly they can actually make progress once the builders get going. Well this seems a good time to see if this site works properly. I came across a clip on youtube that really saddened me and it tells its own story about the UK as it is now and the real fact that such things as pride, standards etc have long been lost and decay and neglect are the order of the day, I do not need to walk very far from my home to see with my own eyes the evidence all around me. the top rung of a six foot ladder is about my limit! I shuddered to the bone, as I'm sure did other boys. So as I have said already, we kept our heads down aiming for that final day when wed be drafted to a ship. Click here to remove banner ads from this forum. JavaScript is disabled. Below are just some of our members who have served at HMS Ganges. Coronation Day of George VI. The master at arms held a long thin bamboo cane, the instrument of the punishment. they said. . It began snowing on Boxing Day. Should one of letters be a millimetre out, you found the lot on the deck when you returned to the mess. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. "Boys came into Ganges at age 15 and went into the navy as men at 16. But, because of the lockdown nothing has really moved and I think, even though construction workers havent leagally been told theyre not allowed to do anything, the owners are a bit reluctant to move. We had no one to confide in, our instructors would more than likely told us not to tell tales. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. It had to be neatly folded and stacked, each item one above the other, with each item measuring exactly nine inches wide and one inch flat. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can On his 15th Birthday he was sent, with 2000 other boys, to the notorious HMS Ganges training establishment at Shotley Point where a harsh regime held sway. I arrived at Ganges in the late afternoon on March 15th 1955, along with roughly a hundred other fifteen year old boys. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. A history of the Royal Navy Training Establishment HMS Ganges. I was out of there in an instant, but never said a word to anyone, I was just happy it was over and I had qualified. Crowned on June 2, 1953, at the age of 25, Elizabeth II went on to have the longest reign for a British queen. ", The honours board from the HMS Ganges, showing the victories of all the Royal Navy ships bearing the name (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Posted on February 5, 2019 by irishroverpei. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. HMS Ganges as a training ship in the 1900s, HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley, The boys climbed the mast whenever the base received high-status visitors, and as part of their training, The sailors in training doing exercises outside the gym, The honours board from the HMS Ganges, showing the victories of all the Royal Navy ships bearing the name. This portion was taken from the foremast of the corvette Cordelia which was paid off . Welcome Guest. 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", HMS Ganges as a warship (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Download Citation | On Feb 1, 2023, Olivier Champagne and others published Future change in amplitude and timing of high-flow events in a Canadian subarctic watershed | Find, read and cite all the . Every new recruit was required to climb it, not to the very top but to the half moon, about thirty-feet from the top. The Admiralty decided that the shore base should bear the name of the original training ship, HMS Ganges. A Gannett Company. However, in the meantime we were still at the mercy of our instructors. After sewing on a tag and sporting a proud smile as I offered it up for inspection to that gorilla-of-gunner, I was sent scurrying away, ears ringing from slaps and vehement words, asking myself, 'How the hell did I mange to sew the tag on upside-down?'. I knew a gentleman who said when he was at Ganges in 1947 he had his first taste of hot food. Ganges Museum is located at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, in what was the Enright Block, on the foreshore of the former H.M.S. St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. I knew that once the weather was respectable, when it was no longer dangerous, my skinny little skeleton would be transported, step by trembling step, up that perilous rigging. This page is dedicated to the memory of Tony whose commitment to the Royal Navy and especially HMS Ganges was unlimited. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. H.M.S. Frederick "Ben" Rodgers author of "Lily & Me", "The Royal Navy & Me" and collector of Rover automobiles, Review from Newfoundland CraigChurchill. In attendance was a senior officer, medical officer and the master at arms. The latest development means that construction work could start immediately, however, due to the coronavirus outbreak, progress has been delayed. There was a seamanship officer at the boat sheds. It was hard, often . Commander was Trick and a good egg. From the annexe, I had sometimes seen it, partly hidden by snowy skies as it towered above the buildings, and it looked frightening then, but now, marching beneath its cobweb rigging, it looked truly awesome. Work on the scheme, which would see 285 new homes, a 60-bed nursing home, a large retail space and areas for medical services, will not be started until a spine road through the site, which will take the bulk of construction traffic away from main roads, is built. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. From the top of the mast, its a long way to come ! If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can I heard many boys saying things like , dont bend over in front of the seamanship officer, or always face him dont turn around. Mr W Im sure the surprise and very welcome CD that popped through my letter box today was from you dear sir, so thanks very much and Im looking forward to listening to it very soon. On the parade ground the order went something like On the command fix! The left hand went behind the cheek of your left buttock and twisted the bayonet and scabbard upward. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. Discussions between developers and Babergh District Council planning officers have been concluded five years after plans for the huge project were given outline planning permission in December 2015. It had been HO (Hostilities-only) traing during the war. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's Welcome to Forces Reunited the place where you can find information and friends from HMS Ganges. I told him "I don't give a flying feck!" Rather than do the two as a pongo I signed on the dotted line for a dozen , best thing I ever did and I regret not staying in for the full time . Yes indeed, they were the best of times and the worst of times. I joined Ganges 30th June 1955 also as a boy telegraphist. Standing at 143ft, the mast is made up of three main parts; the main 75ft mast came from HMS Cordelia, a steam corvette built in Portsmouth, the top mast of 47.5 ft wooden ruffle box from HMS Agincourt, which was renamed HMS Boscawen, and then Ganges II. Its really difficult to give a definitive time scale but once things get going I would imagine that progress will be very visible whereas a lot of the work going on over the past two or three years hasnt necessarily been seen by the public.. Developers Wavensmere Homes and Galliard Homes plan to build almost 300 homes on the site and include a restored mast in the development. Most boys just wanted to complete their year and go to sea. . Maybe we were unlucky with Instructors as one was Court Marshalled, discharged and sent to prison for so called abuse. If you cracked on and didn't buckle you were okay, but I wouldn't want to do it again. She had taken on the previous duties from the wooden ship H.M.S. I just got on with it. First the older of the two, Maurice WRIGHT JX 657902. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich and Shotley . If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to HMS Ganges was also known as Shotley Training Establishment . It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained derelict. 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