Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. To be sure he writes from a certain perspective, as you do, but he presented his case quite calmly using documented and verifiable evidence. (Ezek. Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. [48][49], In February 2023 Christianity Today[50] published multiple instances of MacArthur's Grace Community church advising woman to stay with sexually and physically abusive husbands. Paul Guay was a pastor at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) who had been molesting his daughter, Wendy since at least 1979. "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. [38] He has delivered multiple sermons where he discusses these issues. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. [11] From 1966 to 1969, MacArthur was hired as the faculty representative for Talbot Theological Seminary. including starting the Church Growth Movement which gave life to the pragmatism movement which as we know is so ubiquitous. Theres clearly no transparency or accountability at Elevation Church! What talent, what ability, what fantastic communication skills, what self-belief, what a tragedy! Required fields are marked *. That is grotesque manipulation and a parody of the Gospel. Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? Its mainly a forlorn appeal but can we say to the mega churches please stop it! For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? Just to settle this bit of your disagreement: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, Wonderful thanksnow I can read it on my KindleI have no idea why that did not show on my Amazon page. He did say that some of his views reflected the old style Liberation Theology and Social Gospel, confusion over eternal punishment and other things. 23,12! [16][17], Central to MacArthur's theology is a very high view of scripture (the 66 books of the Protestant Bible). Our statement: pic.twitter.com/Rin5W7eA8x, Jenna Ellis (@JennaEllisEsq) August 31, 2021. (function(d){var f = d.getElementsByTagName('SCRIPT')[0], p = d.createElement('SCRIPT');p.type = 'text/javascript';p.async = true;p.src = '//widgets.wp.com/platform.js';f.parentNode.insertBefore(p,f);}(document)); on Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. We even had the background high pitched sentimental organ music towards the end as he told the (with a tear in his eye) the sad story of his dad, especially when he turned up to hear his son preach for 24 hours to mark the publication of his latest book. Stay informed with the latest from CBN News delivered to your inbox. Your email address will not be published. March 5, 2021 . In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. Use the Church Finder to locate churches with TMS alumni around the world. This following sermon was full of what can only be called psychobabble. He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. Do we really believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working, without us chiding things along? Conclusion: And now I wait. PPS. Sorry David, we must be talking about different books. (I always smile when you deploy the tu quoque argument and even, on this occasion, ego quoque David, once again you are making assertions that do not stand scrutiny. I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. Furtick though is unapologetic..he boasted in a sermon all the proceeds go to feed hungry children..mine!. Where is the blessed self-forgetfulness? John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. Given that you were speaking in the context of my remarks about Chandler, your comments were clearly a warning about him and a warning that his teaching was like a slow growing cancer. G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Its also a nasty wee trick to complain of someone remarks as being provocative, misleading and snide. Drawn from over fifty years of intense Bible study and regular expository teaching, John MacArthur's verse-by-verse study notes, book introductions, and articles display an unwavering commitment to interpretive precisionwith the goal of making God known through His Word. PS Im a huge Chandler fan over here. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he reportedly said he felt ill. John MacArthur, senior pastor of Grace Community Church in Los Angeles and founder of his ministry Grace to You, was one of the reported 4,000 pastors who preached last Sunday against. Furtick preaches a different gospel. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. Thanks again, Your email address will not be published. Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. point taken). rm. Sums it all up. Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. You are aware of them as you demonstrated when writing about Mr Furtick. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. I know in theory you agree with He must increase, I must decrease as do I. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. Regards. G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. It just looks weird. Uh, John MacArthur Is Urging His Church to Stop Supporting Religious Freedom . I would ask you to withdraw your remarks about legalism.posting serious allegations.refusing to substantiate them if you are in any way suggesting that I am such a person. It is the Bible watered down by a mixture of Waltonesque homespun wisdom, pop psychology, stand up comedy and an unhealthy doze of how to missiology. From 1964 to 1966, MacArthur was hired by his father as associate pastor at the Harry MacArthur Memorial Bible Church (now Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, California), which his father Jack had planted and named after his own father. It was not an accusation, nor an attack. I hope this is mature and open enough for you! I think youve just answered your own question; how very sad. | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. [27][28][29], MacArthur describes himself as a "leaky dispensationalist. 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. Yea not Steve but the ones who bash or become busy bodies against him. Your reference to Isis was, in my opinion, ill-judged given recent events. Tim Keller as an anti-Christian preacher is nonsense.it is the kind of irrational ranting legalism that I was mentioning at the beginning.very very sad that you endorse it! Your replies to G White were disgraceful and totally unwarranted, particularly in light of the respectful way he/she raised a perfectly justifiable concern. I think it is a good thing that a church grows within a decade from a hundred to 20,000 people and I would love that to happen in Dundee, or Edinburgh. Im afraid I have had more than enough of this kind of depressing legalism and self-righteousness pride(and before you jump in yes I admit I can all too easily be the same).. At the risk of over-blogging (I dont want to be a bore), have you seen this just the introduction. . If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. And now I have to go and read his recommended book I hope its not as bad as the reviews suggest! 4) Your last post just uses ad hom and tries to dodge justifying your original statement about Chandler by attacking me and what I have said, whilst giving not one concrete example. Terribly, the younger folks dont appear to have the foundation in the word to smell it out. Fox News Flash top headlines are here. He also read a heartfelt letter that the church's pastor sent to MacArthur's congregation. Your reply was typical of the kind of legalistic posts which I regularly get sent. And they aint all wrong. Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. There are doubtless many things wrong with Chandler (hes a Baptist for a start!) Excellent post! What is there to apologise for? Because he is a pastor? Simply not true. I simply stated that the book on my Amazon feed was priced at 30 and I was not going to pay that. In John MacArthur's book, "The Truth War" he writes that " Churches today are filled with people like that. He argues that "the battle for the beginning is ultimately a battle between two mutually exclusive faiths faith in Scripture versus faith in anti-theistic hypotheses. New International Version Wendy Guay's friend, Lisa Ward, was a witness to an attempted abuse by Paul against herself and his own daughter back in 1979. I didnt even mention Chandler in my comment, let alone call him a false teacher (and have never done so). So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? You rightly speak out against the Scott McKennas of this world but you seem to have a blind spot where certain pastors are concerned. Its not that difficult to grow large congregations which teach heresy if you think size is an indication of faithfulness then why are you not a Muslim, a Mormon or a Moonie?! Name me one church that has handled everything well. [25], MacArthur has stated that he opposes both "male chauvinist and feminist views. And this is my prayerful response (after sleeping on it!) New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. If theyre charities (and I suspect many of them will be) then theyre monitored by OSCR, and will have to submit yearly, independently audited, accounts. So I hoped and prayed that this would not become another crash and burn mega church story. As for your other points, Matt Chandlers church eventually acted only after a number of Christian magazines and websites had highlighted their initial inaction. But again I explained why I chose Dallas. John MacArthur and the folks from Grace to You (GTY) have done the body of Christ a great service by continually warning Christianity against the growing dangers within the Charismatic movement. Would you add John Piper, Tim Keller and Alaister Begg to your bonfire? Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. Im afraid your post is a classic example of taking a bible verse out of context and using it, whether ignorantly or deliberately to defend sin. The news clip above catalogues the controversy about his $1.8 million new build house caused. Then you will remember your evil ways and your wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. Were deeply grateful for that. The challenge (as you have already pointed out) is to warn and admonish from a place of love, and of course to pray. And it is culturally not relevant to us at all! [45] His major contention was that there was no justification for closing down churches over a disease with 94% survival rate according to misinterpreted data from the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). It never occurs to me for a second to not fulfill it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfoO6hMSLc. pokmon the series xyz. It is no improvement on, or explanation of, the Word of God. As for the scandal yes I was aware of it. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. Its always good to get correction! He has been the pastor-teacher of Grace . Really? Last year, when far-reaching government restrictions were put in place, the megachurch continued holding indoor worship services despite bans on such gatherings. "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. MacArthur told her she needed to model for her children how to "suffer for Jesus" by enduring David's abuse. For the first time, John MacArthur publicly admitted Sunday that COVID-19 infections spread through his Southern California congregation last winter, noting he and his wife fell ill to the virus in December. So it would be a bit premature to throw them on a bonfire another example of your sly prose which was unwarranted. Timothy Nerozzi is a writer for Fox News Digital. It does say that if you are not careful many with money err from the faith and it also says the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil, NOT MONEY ITSELF. I stated that the danger comes from false teachers AND from those who allow the word of God to be compromised by turning a blind eye. Chandler only eventually took action as the wheels were about to fall off the Mars Hill bus and, sadly, only when great damage had already been done to the body of Christ. You can find the details here. (Note the attempted injection of humour!). False teachers and those who allow the Word of God to be compromised are like a cancer in the church; some who preach flat out heresy are like the aggressive cancer and are easy to spot quickly but others who compromise a bit here and turn a blind eye there are akin to the slow growing tumour thats often not picked up until great damage is done. We stray from scripture at out peril: http://www.whatisthegospel.org.uk. Here is Kate Shellnut: Last year, Hohn Cho concluded Grace Community Church had made a mistake. Can I suggest a little more humility? Stephen Furtick I just listened (lots of fast-forwarding) to a talk he gave at the New Spring church titled Sun Stand Still (which I think relates to one of his books). 4, 3-4). Lets put it this way- if you are buying a $1.8 million home you aint exactly of the take no purse school of ministry! [14] In 1986, he was made President of the new Master's Seminary. The entire message was based around how God can meet all MY needs. I have read only one or two books by John Piper and Timothy Keller and dont really know much about them. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. If your love is put off by answers you dont like, then like the BeeJees I need to ask how deep is your love?! He concludes that he is far from the principles of the reformed faith in many ways and explains why he thinks that. John MacArthur - Jr. Church and Steven Furtick Jamie A 154 subscribers Subscribe 214K views 7 years ago Fun little clips I put together to give an example of what Dr. MacArthur was speaking on.. Jenna . It appears this lawsuit is going in our favor, MacArthur said Sunday. Finally that book! I repeat again that I am aware of the failings of the mega church system and celebrity pastors. John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. Will you not come and revive us? I kind of dreaded this type of response. Opinion Preston Clegg. Perhaps then a mature and open discussion could then take place. The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. Opinion Page Brooks and David Bumgardner John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. See what mine own hands have wrought. Period. Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . "[26] He has a complementarian view on gender roles and considers that the Bible forbids women to preach to men or to exercise authority over men in churches, and he believes that the Biblical roles of elder and pastor are restricted to men. How John MacArthur loves the Bible but not his neighbor. Sadly The Lord will deal with him, and it will be very painful for him and his family. PS. Could you tell me the difference? Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. [20] The event featured a number of speakers who argued for cessationist theology and strongly critiqued the Charismatic Movement. Elevation Church were accused of getting volunteers to come forward during the spontaneous baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. Furtick preaches a different gospel. all Christians are the same etc. You call them out or call them to repentance but see no need to repent yourself. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, When you are ready argue about what is being said here, not what is not being said. Then there is the whole question of what the church is about. My own view is that he didnt handle it particularly well even when forced to act. It is still priced as such on my Amazon feed.thankfully someone pointed me to another link which I have now used to buy the book for a couple of pounds on Kindle. As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. If you want an alternative from another megachurch pastor, then listen to this from Matt Chandler preached at Elevation (I think it was not actually posted at the time because it upset people but I may be wrong). Everything well open discussion could then take place for your sins and detestable practices made comment. 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